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I will try to get a couple of pictures taken in daylight and post them as soon as I can. So not every one agrees on the age but everyone agrees that it is military Based on the markings and photographs, I would agree with Gary's assessment as to the production timeframe.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the pommel would be pinned as opposed to peened. Pinned as opposed to peened if it were WWII vintage versus post manufactured? Or the opposite? Also, I think I am correct is saying that the markings do not allow one to discriminate between pre- and post manufacture.
Camillus made knives of this pattern in WW2 and again after All those marked only U.
I thought that the "U. I'm going from memory here, but I'm pretty sure the Camillus military issue MK2 markings go as follows:. Yes, I think you have it right :thumbsup:. Being both a Moderator and "The Man" when it comes to edged weapons, perhaps Gary will make a sticky out of this post of yours.
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I am amazed at the wealth of information and the amount of knowledge that can be found on this forum. I have been a member of the forum for several months now but have not taken the opportunity to tap into this knowledge. You guys have been so much help providing this information about my knife. I will be sure to get more pictures of my knife of the daylight when possible.
Have to work late today and tomorrow so it may be Friday or Saturday before I am able to add them. Now we know that the knife is probably dated betweenand it is military issue can anyone tell me what the value of this knife would be?
I know it is not anything real rare but I have no idea what these things are worth. To be perfectly honest, I'd just follow listings and see what ones in like condition bring.
Things have changed so much over the last few years that I wouldn't dare wager a guess. This is in the last 5 or 6 years. I would not be surprised if they were going for double that or more now. Here are some pics of what I think represent the variety of M2's made during the Vietnam era.
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The first Utica Cut was issued to a Marine in He took it with him to Vietnam in I've been told this version goes back to even the Korean era.
The next three all have the later oxblood finish.
I've been told that the leather was treated with an advanced fungicide to resist jungle rot. I don't know if the color is related to that. That Utica on the left is nice! Everyone I see has generally seen hard use and abuse. Very Nice Grouping! Your "brown" Utica is one of the earliest of the new generation of the Knife, Combat. It the Marine actually got it inhe would have gotten one of the first batch as Utica production began in late They were not made at the time of the Korean War - any used before would have been WW2 production.
The scabbard is also early and correct. By the end of the specification was changed from 9 rivets to 7 as is shown on your dark Utica. The change to Rot Treatment started in and Utica was the only company to have brown scabbards and handles, as by the time Camillus started in late the paranitrophenol treatment had begun - this produced the dark almost black color called oxblood by collectors. In the color was official changed to black, although a lot of Camillus production remained oxblood for some years afterward well into the s.
Your 1st Utica was likely made between and sometime in Your 2nd one after sometime in early I believe the Uticas are the only ones made in the second production period of Mk2s starting in that still had curved guards. The washers for the handles were treated with a chemical before assembly to prevent rot, and the ox-blood color coating was applied after assembly.
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This stamp has was used on Camillus knives for a very short time. The company quit referencing the date after , but started back up in its later days preceding bankruptcy. The tang stamp shown here is known as Camillus' three line straight stamp. I believe this stamp to have been used on knives manufactured from to the early s. Camillus Knives were first made in by a company named Camillus Cutlery, located in Camullus, New York. It was founded by immigrant Adolph Kastor. The company has produced many collectible sets of knives honoring various celebrities and presidents. It also produced knives to be used in World War I and World War. Dec 17, I have 2 Camillus Knives that are similar but different. Hoping to try and date them but I am finding conflicting information. Hoping you guys can help. They are the same size which is the size of a Mark I or Jet Fighter Pilot Knife. Both have dark what I believe is blued blades. Both marked CAMI.
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May 23, dating a camillus The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in when the company filed for bankruptcy. Jan 14, Welcome to the forum. It appears what you have is a pre Camillus Mark 2 fighting knife. I date its manufacture to before because, in the "NY" stamped after the town name of Camillus was discontinued. Oct 17, When I first read the title of your post I thought that you were actually dating a Camillus knife as in like going to the movies on a date. I was thinking some of the knife nutty's on this forum really are bonkers for their knives!
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